
Way too early to proclaim foursquare as the Mayor of all things social media or yelp as a meaningful partner in the restaurant business. Both are working diligently to collect consumers of all businesses, not just restaurants. Both seem to be interested in collecting “eyeballs” for whatever purpose.
Serving Social can do a lot to help them focus on good sound marketing practices utilizing web and social.
Taughnee StoneThanks Mark! And, I could not agree more … it is my opinion that as far as mobile and hyper-local/geo-location technology/marketing is concerned — we’ve not yet seen “it”. Will Foursquare be a player a year from now? Two? Meh?
We decided…ed to write about this Chili’s scenario because opened the door to speak about the fundamentals you are talking about: not what is hip and cool in the moment, but on sound fundamentals: good service (along with of course good food, appropriate price/location/atmosphere). And, how online and offline intersect and relate, and how absolutely important it is to invest in those fundamentals (e.g. staff training/empowerment) … why bother throwing money at social media if the customer experience is a total disconnect at the table?
PS … Yelp, to me, is a player now (perhaps not always), if for no other reason than what currently happens in local search. My clients pay me to make sure their sites operate well in search, but Yelp and other directories/review sites often occupy a large portion of that space and can influence consumers. Thoughts?
Taughnee Stone (It’s so hard to write long comments in this little box, I apologize for excessive use of the word “fundamentals” and for really poor grammar lol)August 3 at 1:26am
Mark Morenothoughts about yelp? not really any good ones.
Taughnee StoneGood points, Mark … lots of food for thought. I have a blog post idea simmering now. I don’t think people make decisions as you described either. But, there is an argument that local search has replaced the yellow pages (where people surely made decisions, otherwise restaurants wouldn’t have taken up so much real estate) … so, viewing local search as the modern day yellow pages …
I’m not trying to overstate the importance of local search, your points are totally valid …I agree with you that some people are growing skeptical of review sites (especially Yelp and all of the problems they’ve been dealing with) … and restaurants need to build communities from the inside out (absolutely!). Let’s say that people were *not* growing more skeptical of online reviews … having a strong community is the best way to manage reputation *anyway*.
Anyway thanks for the great chat, really helpful in thinking this all through! I’ll keep you posted if I turn this discussion into a blog post.
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Mark MorenoTotally agree, Yellowpages are irrelevant! Really like your comments!
Taughnee StoneIf you were looking for crab cakes in a defined proximity, most likely you would add that as part of your search (i.e. “Crab Cakes Anchorage”) and SEO (and other tactics as they relate to social media channels that also perform well in sear…ch) can help with what shows up in search. I’m actually pretty conservative when it comes to SEO practices and my clients’ sites generally perform really well.Interestingly, if I search “Crab Cakes Anchorage”, what pulls my eyes is five yellow stars … 50 ratings on Urban Spoon for Snow City Cafe (a client of mine!)
Interestingly (funnily?) … Snow City Cafe, though, has a really stellar online community and reputation *because* they have a really amazing community of customers offline … this is your point, yes? … great food, great service, great atmosphere, great location, great communications, great community involvement/philanthropy … that translates easily to their online presence. They enjoy scenarios like this in search more because they run a really great restaurant and take really good care of their customers, not because of any “SEO trickery”.
Sorry to get off topic there. lol What fun.
Steve Johnsonhmmm…
What they DO, though, is go to Google or Yahoo or MSN and type in something like “Cajun food Boise”, or “tex-mex restaurant in Portland”. If you’re a restaurant owner, ESPECIALLY a specialty restaurant, you’d better make damned sure that you know what your customers are searching for, and that you’re somewhere near the top of the list when those results come up.
Not at the present – unless the searcher enters the region they want to search, which most people do now if they’re looking for something local. Proximity search, user preferences, and that sort of thing can only come from a dedicated app – but then you have the hurdles of both signing up businesses to your app, and convincing potential customers that your app is a life-or-death thing to have.
sorry, didn’t mean to write a novelette!!
Mark MorenoNot a novelette, more akin to a whitepaper. I think you have done an excellent job describing the current state of the internet and the implications to restaurants.
Lazy? Habitual? Oh yeah that’s exactly the problem that will be solved. When you make it easy for customers to do business with you they will beat a path to your door.
Thank you for your insights.
Taughnee Stone
BTW, not sure if you have seen this but businesses can now respond to reviews directly on Google as well …
Cheers, to both Steve & Mark! ~Taughnee
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Thanks for the discussion, we need more like this.
Taughnee StoneMark,
Steve JohnsonBuilding a brand is all well and good – but counseling a business owner that “all of the noise is irrelevant” is an extreme disservice. The world is a-changin’, and owners/operators who ignore it do so at their peril.Yes, you can build an eatery or practically any other small business on word-of-mouth, and it IS very important. But that only takes you so far. Getting to the next level involves interacting with your customers in the places they congregate and frequent. And, at least for now, those are the ‘Web 2.0′ community sites, and yes, there are a lot of them and yes, it takes time to monitor and engage.
Taughnee StoneSteve, thank you … I appreciate the comment! But I do want to say that “who should they hire” is not the question. We’re discussing solutions to problems this customer (restaurants) face and there’s validity in all points of view. The experience represented in this thread is what is sparking all of the passion in the responses. Except maybe my high school boyfriend from 1986 (*waves to Jeff*). We can disagree on the solutions, but ultimately I think it’s good that customers have a choice as to which route they take …they can decide what’s right for them. End of the day, I think we all have their best interests in mind. If it was “one size fits all” then everybody would be doing it!
Mark MorenoSteve, execution of the fundamentals of any type of business are a prerequisite, therefore if it is an either/or proposition than the choice has to be the business expert.
Taughnee, Your are absolutely right, “no one size fits all”. Thanks for all the discussion.
Taughnee Stone On this I completely agree without hesitation, there is no such thing as a “web 2.0 expert”. It’s why we need to keep thinking critically about all of this.
Mark Moreno There you go! I probably wasted a lot of time getting to that point. This has really been an invigorating discussion. Thank You.Now, next steps…how’s your next blog coming along?

















